A few weeks ago Tane posted on what needs to be down to the Dwarf book. I was listening to Pointhammered today and they had two suggestions that bear consideration:
1. Give Dwarfs Hatred - they are grumpy buggers and the re-roll to hit with a single attack wouldn't br game-breaking but would give them a combat boost.
2. Let them march after Swift Reform and let them Force March (3x movement) outside 8" of enemy
I think that these changes would address a number of the probs in the book, letting them participate in movement phase and increasing damage output.
I know, I must be bored when I start talking about Dwarfs.
And Bear Cavalry... can't forget about the Bear Cavalry Pete :D.
ReplyDeleteCher.
Simon
Bear Cavalry, simply the best
DeleteI also vote for Bear Cavalry
DeleteI'd happily give a stunty army a game or two with these rules
ReplyDeleteHow can you be bored when you have the new shinies delivered to you yesterday?
ReplyDeleteAdmit it, you've got a soft spot for short beardies..... It's OK, we'll understand.
I like them but let's face it thats far too logical for GW to implement. They'll probably give them Magic weapons.
ReplyDeleteNeed monstrous (bear or otherwise) cavalry and flyers, hatred, and anger march/rush (force march)or mod to charging distance for these grumpy buggers, better movement rules for Bugman and Rangers, and Miners. How about Miners being able to take flamethrower with them, pop up from any table edge?
ReplyDeleteWho are you....there was no negstive words about the dwarves in this post...
ReplyDeleteOff day :-)
DeleteWhole idea of Bear Cavalry gives me the shits. Not sure I could continue being Dwarf-supportive if they got them
ReplyDeleteIt makes sense. Dwarfs live in the mountains, bears live in the mountains, therefore dwarf bear riders! The logic is clear........
DeletePretty sure bears live in the woods or on the polar ice cap
DeleteBear Cavalry is a stupid idea. seriously, bears don't really live in mountains, they live in forests, which is why you don't find bears in the himalayas.....
DeleteI do like the idea of the hatred and marching ideas they threw out there, but GW won't listen to that at all. WHat you'll get is something like gyrocopter units, a huge zeppelin and golems knowing them.
There's a sad reason why I stopped playing stunties....They just can't truly compete
MK
Bears do live in mountainous areas, as well as forests and woods, ice caps etc. In past Dwarf fluff they used to use big underground Beetles as mining animals, and actually goaded them into war so that could be a direction they could go.
DeleteMy Grandpa once shot a bear in the Piute Mountains ( located to the south of the Sierra Nevadas in California). Perhaps the bear was lost? My grandpa made no mention of it being ridden.
DeleteMy bad, I wasn't clear. I kind of meant that they dont live IN the mountains. On, yes, and in shallow caves, but not to the extent that dwarfs do.
DeleteI understand dwarfs come outside and do stuff, but I always felt the main background of Dwarfs was how deep in the mines they are, which isn't where I saw bears to be.
So on this note, why not Billy Goats or dire goats, that way you can have impact hits on the charge?
MK
Now that makes more sense....Goatriders
DeleteAnd the Champion could have a manicured beard and be called a Goatee
And the Muso could play a banjo and sing really annoying songs to wind people up a la 'hoodwinked'... those who have kids will know what I mean ;-p
DeleteAlthough I have to be careful as I am playing against John and his stunties tonight... My Ogres could cop a little back lash from that last comment...
DeletePete... everything Dwarf gives you the shits.
ReplyDeleteI cant believe you guys think Bear Riders arn't cool. Screw fluff for the moment. The model would look absolutely insane. Big ass grizzly bear or Polar Bear with a Heavy armoured Dwarf on top with a huge ass hammer. They also should be core.... omg yes, they should be core!
They should be really OP and cheap as chips in points, then that will give you guys something REALLY to piss and moan about... instead of "Dwarfs are boring and give me cancer". It will instead be replaced with "Dwarfs are OP and take no skill!"
Oh and Pete, after the metric tons of shit that will be running out of you when bear riders are announced, be sure to wipe, otherwise you'll be going through a lot of underwear ;D
Love, Simon
See I post two realistic suggestions to address Dwarf "problems" and the Dwarfers immediately start talking about Bear Cavalry.
DeleteYou guys don't want solutions
Bear Cav could be seen as ridiculous; I'm not sure that I'd want to sit on a half-ton animal that tends to roll on the ground when it's fighting....
ReplyDeleteBut Bear Cav is no more ridiculous than a cannon on a rhinox (aren't those things flighty and prone to smashing things when upset?), or a daemon cannon on a Segway, or a Hurricanum which would tip over in a carpark let alone charging across a battlefield.
But Pete has a point; every time we talk about improving Dwarves, bear cav come up. If that's all we get in the book, then Dwarves become magic-less Empire; awesome gunline with an overpowered counterpunch unit. Which is not as cool as rock-hard combat troops pushing forward and knee-capping people which is what I'd like to see.
I'm happy to not get bear cav if we get more movement options, better combat troops, more mobile shooting and some equivalent to the magic phase. I imagine we'll get some sort of Steam Tank and monstrous infantry anyway. Use the Scibor bear cav models to proxy for those if you want.
Tane, there is far too much sense and not enough RAGE in that post. Pete I demand it be removed immediately. I mean really.
DeleteDwarf players dream of Bear Riders...
ReplyDeleteIn reality they will get Panda Bear Riders. They live in the mountains...
Can people please stop listening to the scrawny pimply Canadian Kid and his mad ravings about Dwarf Bear riders. Its just some mad throw back to his Canuck heritage and a strong desire to run through the woods chasing Moose and Elk while screaming 'Ah' really loudly...
ReplyDelete...now Dwarf Cavalry on armoured miniature Hobby ponies that would be good
oops I meant 'Hobbit' ponies... and seriously there are Dwarf players and then there is Simon ;)
DeleteI'd be happy with some Living Ancestor type Rune Golems; Monsterous Inf, M4, WS4, S6, T6, W3, A3, Unbreakable, 3+ A/S. They'd have to bloody expensive to justify all that, but enough to make Skullcrushers pause and Mournfangs run away in a panic.
DeleteI'm not sure that cavalry fit with the Dwarven stereotype. A steam tank/chariot type thing would be better, though god knows the game has enough cannon-chariots already.
I really, really don't want a Zepplin in our army book. That sort of thing should be super-awesome, but cost north of 600 points, so would ideally be something that Forgeworld does in a supplement.
Scrawny I can live with John, but pimply! Na a, I moisturize mate, lather, rinse and repeat my friend. Loriale, Garnier and etc.
Delete"There are Dwarf players and then there is Simon". Couldn't stop laughing, made my day John. :D Should really change it to "There are WHFB players, and then there is Simon" though.
But come on lads, I know you all think I'm hot. No need to hide it.